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Post by Shaper on May 11, 2015 23:39:58 GMT
As the title says, this will be for discussion/voting on what you think of this new rule. Neither me or saund'll vote. It's encouraged that the other admins don't vote so that we know the communities vote, but that's just me, feel free.
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Post by farsidejr on May 12, 2015 0:00:00 GMT
It should be changed to "Common-day-tech only", so that mechs, lasors, tanks, heavy guns, and super armor are gone, but there are still computers (of old style) and tvs (again, old, but with modern tv shows (socharacterscanfangirl/boyaboutDoctorWhoMLPTF2andawesomestuffplusYouTube)) and ovens 'n' stuff so we can actually accurately relate to it better; peeps can have more creativity too (cooking 'n' stuff). Plus, no harm in a fridge. Unless you get stuck in it. But that would be stupid. But I can still think of characters who would do that.
As for transportation, there shouldn't be cars or buses or planes other than those ones that DaVinci designed; Arkivan should have no tech, as per it being labeled 'magic' and not used because of this. Any tech someone does have has to either be taken from an outside source (which means not much due to travel problems, but no specific level as long as easy packaging) or created by the person who owns them (again, not much due to low supplies unless brought in).
WAIT! WHAT IF TARN LIKED MLP?! O:
... Also, ice cream.
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Post by Lava (Admin) on May 13, 2015 0:47:09 GMT
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The tech rule exists because of the conflicts with both the balance of the game and the game's lore. I'm not saying that the rule would be absolute, but it exists for a reason.
Computers? Lumius'd break the keyboard just by tapping it.
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Post by gbean18 on May 13, 2015 1:16:25 GMT
Craaaaaap I selected the wrong on by accident DX I selected "it shouldn't be there at all." But I did mean to select "changed to something else." Now I'll elaborate- I agree with farside, a few bits of everyday technology should be allowed under certain circumstances, such as the character having come from a different planet or something. The reason Gordon hasn't been on the game in a long time is because that rule LITERALLY makes him unable to use William, because William needs at least his phone to survive. I do think you should outlaw stuff like mechs and all that crap, but everyday tech /should/ be allowed under certain circumstances.
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Post by shade on May 13, 2015 19:13:40 GMT
I think it should be there, and I partially agree with farside, but as rps progress, so would technological advances...
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Post by farsidejr on May 14, 2015 0:01:14 GMT
gbean, just reclick the one you chose and then click the one you actually want.
Also, lore shouldn't be a rule! There should be free reign for people's stories. Plus, what about inter-dimention travelers? Or amputated arms and legs? Vikran breaks the rule himself! And people have been breaking the 'rule' for a long time with no damage to the rp! Lore and an opinion are not rules! Whether it breaks setting or not (which should be decided by the rper). Do you know how many ideas I've had to trash or move because this rule?!
Oh, and Shade, the tech doesn't need to progress. Just lower the standards of the rule and stick it that way. If advancment in tech were applied, then within a couple years the rule as it is now would be out of date.
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Post by farsidejr on May 14, 2015 0:08:17 GMT
Also, lava, that reason is because an opinion. The rp ideas and stories are owned by the community. If saund were writing a book or had given us a script, the rule would make sense. HOWEVER! She did not. Everyone contributes to the rp. Saund contributes by hosting the map and supplying morphs. Everyone else does EVERYTHING else. If the game were closed, people could just as easily rp. Therefor, saund owns the game, but not the rp. The rp is made up of characters and ideas. Unless saund owns all the ideas and all the characters, she doesn't own the rp. No single person owns the rp.
This rule is an abuse of authority. It's like making personal lore that there are no green dragons, then a rule saying "not allowed to be a green dragon". Any and all lore/character-modifying rules should be approved by at least 90% of the players that are commonly known, or else it is just a suggestion or prefered way.
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Post by farsidejr on May 14, 2015 0:19:19 GMT
The other rules are there to protect the players. Like "no bullying", "don't be a god", and "no spamming", but if someone used tech, I see no way anyone would be harmed. Unless it was op. But phones, TVs, fridges, toasters, light bulbs, ovens, robotic toys, MP3 players, and radios are not op.
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Post by farsidejr on May 14, 2015 10:18:04 GMT
At the very least, keep this 'rule' away from the NSFW version.
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Post by farsidejr on May 14, 2015 19:36:30 GMT
I can list three things that this rule has done that negatively effects the rp:
1. Driven off players.
2. Forced lore upon players without consent.
3. Needlessly limited creativity for ideas.
As for 'balancing the rp', that makes no sense. It, in my opinion, does the exact opposite. Instead of many people with a wide variety of ideas to balance out the thoughts and characters, it has made the dragon/wizard/medieval stance way too heavy! People are limited to a certain category of characters and stories. If you don't want tech in your rp story-line, that's absolutely fine! Let people know! As soon as you smash it out of everyone else's rps that have nothing to do with your own, though... That's just wrong.
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Post by kallo on May 15, 2015 23:54:18 GMT
honestly I agree that the rule needs to be relaxed but not so much were there are mechs I understand basic prosthetics for limbs but no farther than that as in no arm cannons and that shiz.
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Post by Lava (Admin) on May 18, 2015 4:01:13 GMT
I can list three things that this rule has done that negatively effects the rp: 1. Driven off players. 2. Forced lore upon players without consent. 3. Needlessly limited creativity for ideas. As for 'balancing the rp', that makes no sense. It, in my opinion, does the exact opposite. Instead of many people with a wide variety of ideas to balance out the thoughts and characters, it has made the dragon/wizard/medieval stance way too heavy! People are limited to a certain category of characters and stories. If you don't want tech in your rp story-line, that's absolutely fine! Let people know! As soon as you smash it out of everyone else's rps that have nothing to do with your own, though... That's just wrong. There has always been a distinct lore to the game. Whether or not you follow it is optional. It exists just so new players can quickly learn about the game without having to probe other players for information. As for creativity? You don't need a toaster to fry your freshly made bread. The people who lived in the medieval ages weren't exactly stupid. There's likely an item they used that technology has replaced. Phones were a replacement for letters or a messenger (Carrier pigeon!) And honestly? The game has been slowly gaining more players. If they don't want to abide by our rules, they can leave for Xan's game and be hopelessly lost in a game with no laws or lore. |
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Post by farsidejr on May 20, 2015 19:41:44 GMT
First of all, Xan's game DOES have lore AND laws. Second of all, my entire rp has come to a halt because this rule. Third of all, by voting to keep this rule, you are saying you MUST FOLLOW THAT PART OF THE LORE. Fourth, NO PART OF A RP NEEDS OFFICIAL LORE TO KEEP IT STRAIGHT! "No official lore" doesn't make you lost! People aren't so stupid that they need to be constantly fed what they must follow! People can make their OWN lore! Also, as of now, the tech rule (which you say that "Whether or not you follow is optional") is being asserted as a FULL FLEDGED RULE. Meaning NON-OPTIONAL. What I'm trying to change about it is to make it a suggestion! Make it what you believe it already is, even though it is not! Make it optional! You people are acting like the whole place will turn into chaos without this rule, like it's the only thing stopping everyone from having robot servants and iPhone 53s! If the rule is lifted to optional, not much will actually change! More people will join. People are not joining because there is that rule, they are joining because there are tons of morphs and islands that are well made!
And 'creativity' doesn't mean a toaster, it means a facility running tests off to the side, hidden away, with lights in hallways and computers recording information and running hospitals. It means robotic limbs for amputees, and a creature that starts out a paper puppet and slowly advances until it becomes real (meaning it would need to pass through a robotic stage)! It means having characters that can only speak or hear or see through something attached to them! It means 1001 more ideas to use! Don't say creativity is not limited by this rule: it is.
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Post by farsidejr on May 20, 2015 19:43:38 GMT
All I want is for this rule to be officially labeled a suggestion, and for admins to stop snuffing out every bit of tech over it. Don't say they aren't, because they are. I've seen them.
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Post by gbean18 on May 26, 2015 19:42:44 GMT
I agree completely with farside. The fact that you guys are so insecure about about keeping your main roleplay's lore to the extent that you are trying to control factors of ALL role plays that take place in the game is the exact reason why I've had to leave multiple good Roleplay games. When I found this community a long time ago I was thrilled about how open and friendly it was. Now, you guys are doing the exact thing that will drive away some of your best players over time. You need to allow people to choose their own Roleplay lore and only limit these things, not ban them completely.
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Post by Deltahydranoid on May 30, 2015 1:43:28 GMT
I vote on tech, just not crazy insane alien lasers or something.... Just normal everyday tech and toasters.
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Post by flaretheandalite on May 30, 2015 19:09:17 GMT
I think both modern day and future tech should be allowed, but there should be a limit to what tech is allowed. For example, if your dragon is maybe a mechanical dragon (like a regular dragon but mechanical, no guns), that could be allowed. But if it has some huge overpowered mech, that shouldn't be allowed. As some people said, adding tech could interfere with the current lore of the game. However, just like today, the people and dragons could find ways to improve their technological advances and move foward.
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Post by farsidejr on May 30, 2015 23:55:58 GMT
Uh, flare? Did you vote? The number for the section you described hasn't changed... Did you click the wrong one?
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Post by flaretheandalite on Jun 17, 2015 3:38:21 GMT
I accidentally clicked the wrong one o-o
oops XD
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Post by farsidejr on Jun 28, 2015 12:53:26 GMT
It's okay; just re-click the one you chose, then click the one you wanted originally.
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